Toronto Region learned that Church of the Creator leader George Burdi's right hand man, Eric Fischer, and his brother, Carl (Elkar) Fischer, were helping Grant Bristow perform security duties. On December 15, 1992, the Fischer brothers and Bristow went to the Toronto Public Library to learn how use a Toronto Mights Directory to trace telephone numbers, numbers obtained from Droege's answering machine or from left-wing and anarchist telephone hotlines and message centres. The Source reported that the brothers could not work out how to use the MIGHTS Directory.
b) Chapter 5.7 - Page 10
We asked the Source about counter-intelligence activities against anti-racist groups, and its potential impact on confrontations between anti-racists and the Heritage Front. He said that there was no serious counter-intelligence program, and no "human sources". If the left-wing had a march, Droege and/or Zundel would think it a good idea for them to be covered. Sometimes Bristow would be on the street photographing and taking numbers, sometimes Fischer or Hategan did this. The Source was asked about the use of "plants" (Heritage Front people who attended ARA meetings). He said that there were none. Some of Eric Fischer's people, however, were working against the anti-racists, and this was reported to Droege. Fischer would place his people in the anti-racist meetings and Bristow would debrief them along with Fischer when they reported back. In February 1993, Wolfgang Droege was told that the Klanbusters and the International Socialists were going to hold meetings and that someone from the Church of the Creator (COTC) would be covering the meetings. The COTC persons who were sent by Fischer to cover the meetings were Talic and Cake. Their job was to find out what was going on. However, they soon became bored with this activity, and stopped attending the meetings.
c) Chapter 5.9.8 - Page 24-25
Droege asked Bristow to demonstrate the criss-cross directories to the Fisher brothers, but his instructions resulted in their being unable to understand how to use them. At one point Fischer wanted Bristow to give a lecture on basic security techniques. The information he conveyed came from open sources. Bristow gave COTC members a lecture on basic security. He told them that they should not get an answering machine with a two-digit remote code. He suggested that they get unlisted telephone numbers and voice-mail. He also suggested that they use post office boxes as the addresses for their Drivers Licences. According to the Source, Bristow never gave Front or Church members significant or sophisticated security information. He told people in the Front to put up aluminum on their windows to deter parabolic microphones and some of them actually did so. And at one point, he had Dawson writing messages using a code book and one time pads. This kept Dawson occupied. We asked Bristow if he had taught any actual intelligence tradecraft to the Heritage Front or Church of the Creator members. He said that he had not. To avoid surveillance, he had instructed the Heritage Front members to walk for some distance and then to turn around and walk back.
d) 5.12.2 - Page 41-42
The Source was asked about the monitoring of police communications. He noted that Bristow would constantly tell the Heritage Front that he would monitor police communications, but Paul Graham did most of this. Eric Fischer provided scanning devices and metal detectors, using money from his military severance pay and his savings. When the American white supremacists were in town, the Source would pick them up and put the Mitre 5 scanner on to see if the police were following them. In fact, the information he was picking up was quite irrelevant. The Americans thought it was important though, and they had a sense of security. Bristow, and Front "security" were often seen with hand-held walkie-talkies. According to Bristow, Eric Fischer, an ex-member of the Canadian Airborne Regiment, ran physical security for Heritage Front meetings. Fischer used two-way communications systems; Bristow had contributed three hand held radios which did not work well.
e) Chapter 12.3 - Page 2-3
The Committee learned that, circa September 1992 Eric Fischer, a member of both the Heritage Front and the Church of the Creator, was actively recruiting within the military for the COTC. The Service's investigations against the white supremacist leadership in Canada revealed "that leading racists believe that the military is a good recruiting ground." The Service's investigations have uncovered "general information pertaining to racists in the military. Most of this information relates to individuals in contact with CSIS targets who claim to be past or present members of the military.
1.) That I am the person referred to in the above text and in such have
knowledge to the matters stated herein.
2.) That I know the following to be a false statement in the above text corrected by me as follows.
a: Contrary to Mr. Bristows claim I found the
Might's Directories very easy to use.
b: Mr. Bristow claims that I would take pictures of the left-wing and our opposition. This is false, I have never taken pictures of our opposition. To the best of my memory, it was always Grant who was the one taking pictures and taking licence plate numbers down. I would also like to note that all surveillance was directed and promoted by Grant Bristow.
c: I would like to point out again that Mr. Bristow is claiming that we found the Might's Directories hard to understand, which is a complete lie. Me and my brother found the directories very easy to understand. Mr. Bristow claims that he never gave us any significant information, which is also not true. At our COTC meetings he would give us lists of phone numbers, addresses, place of employment and sometimes pictures of our opposition. He would then instruct us on how to harass them.
He instructed myself and other members of my security team as follows:
1) He gave me the name and address of Kevin Thomas and Katherine Klaus and numerous others among them Jews.
2) He told me to contact these people by phone or in person and call them commie or faggot and say other things to threaten them and that we would make life miserable for them. He told me to arrange with others to follow them and watch them and call home after them. He also told us where people worked. He gave us their phone numbers and told us to call their employers to tell them they had a convicted pedophile working for them in regards to Merle Terleski and Kevin Thomas
Mr. Bristow also showed me in detail how to conduct surveillance on people. He instructed us in surveillance as follows:
Grant Bristow was always pushing us to do this, but because of my position
as a security guard I was afraid to do what he demanded of me for fear
of losing my bonding status. I know some others followed Grants directions.
d: Mr. Bristow claims that I provided scanning devices, which is not true. He and another person were the ones who provided the scanning equipment. Mr. Bristow also claims that I am the one who provided metal detectors from my military severance pay, this is only a half-truth. For the first year or so, Mr. Bristow provided all radio's and metal detectors which were in perfect working condition (contrary to what he claims) we used Mr. Bristows equipment until our own equipment was purchased with a loan and donations from other members of the COTC. I would also like to make clear that I did not buy the radio's and metal detectors with my military severance pay.
e: The committee is claiming that I was actively recruiting within the military for the Heritage Front and the Church of the Creator, in or around September 1992, which is impossible. I was not an active member of the Canadian Armed Forces during the time in question, I was in the supplementary reserve waiting for at least 9 months until I joined the Queen's Own Rifles unit in Toronto, which I was in for only a short time. I would also like to state that I never during my entire contract with the Canadian Armed Forces actively recruited in the military.
Shortly before Grant Bristow disappeared, I remember a conversation when Grant and I were in a car driving towards Brampton coming from Oshawa where Mr. Bristow had deliver legal papers to Harry Doan as he was acting as Doan's legal assistant. It was in the spring of 1994. Mr. Bristow told me on this trip that in regards to the future of the Heritage Front it would with the disappearance of free speech have to go underground and become an organisation based or modelled on the IRA. I took it he was saying we would have to resort to violence.
Although I have seen Ernst Zundel publicly, I have never met him. However I have knowledge of his general reputation in the community of the Heritage Front with which I was associated for 2 years. I have always known Mr. Zundel is vehemently opposed to violence or any illegal acts and this was well known in the Heritage Front.
I would like to also make known that since the summer of 1994, I am no longer involved with the right-wing or extremist groups.